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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/10/2001 1:33 am  
To:  ALL   (1 of 29)  
 
  115.1  
 
If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to turn white when they become Mormons? (2 Nephi 30:6, prior to the 1981 revision). 
If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.) 

How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? 
(They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.) 

If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon Gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a God? (Doc. & Cov. 132:17,37) 

Why do Mormons emphasize part of the Word of Wisdom and ignore the part forbidding the eating of meat except in winter, cold or famine? (Doc. & Cov. 89:12,13). 

Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (Doc. & Cov. 124:56-60). 

If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50). 

How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon's while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (1 Kings 5:13-18 and 2 Nephi 5:15-17). 

Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (Doc. & Cov. 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324). 

God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies? 

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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/12/2001 12:18 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (2 of 29)  
 
  115.2 in reply to 115.1  
 
Blood_Bought (RFI1965) wrote:
If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to turn white when they become Mormons?
  I see no reason to suppose that they should.



If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)
  While God himself is perfect, we mortal men are not, and any time God's word is in the hands of men, errors may be introduced.  We've never made the claim that the Book of Mormon is perfect and inerrant.  Certainly many errors existed in Joseph Smith's original translation (though he was working with divine assistance, and guidance, he still was a mortal man, as error-prone as the rest of us), and more errors were introduced in the process of organizing it, setting the type, and printing.  Of the approximately 4,000 differences between the text of the Book of Mormon as it was first published, and the version that is published today, nearly half are basic corrections in grammar, spelling, and punctuation.  Very few of the changes affect any of the literal meaning contained therein, but many make the meaning more clear.

  Given the size of the Book of Mormon, and the conditions under which it was first published, I would dare to say that it is remarkable that so few corrections were needed in later editions.



How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)
  We do not know the composition of these plates.  We only know that they were of metal, and had the appearance of gold.  They may have been of some alloy of Gold with a much lighter metal, or they may have been gold-plated. (No pun intended)  Perhaps they didn't really contain any actual gold at all.  I'm not even sure we know anything about the size of the plates. (Page 262 of Articles of Faith by James E. Talmage, at least in the copy of this book which I have here, says nothing at all about these plates, and it is not apparent to me, from skimming quickly through this book, that it is likely anywhere to contain this information.



If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon Gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a God?
  We do not know the time frame in which such things occur.  Because he has not yet reached the state of Exhaltation (or at least had not done so as of 1805 CE) does not mean that he will not eventually reach this state.



Why do Mormons emphasize part of the Word of Wisdom and ignore the part forbidding the eating of meat except in winter, cold or famine? (Doc. & Cov. 89:12,13).
  To be honest, I don't really know for sure.  I have a few guesses, but nothing very substantial.  To find the answer would require more ressearch than I have time to pursue at this time.  I will tell you this much:  The Word of Wisdom was originally given to us as advice, as a suggestion from God that it would be good for our health to follow the instructions thus presented.  It was at some later point that the Word of Wisdom was raised to the status of a commandment, such that we were required to obey it in order to remain in good standing in the church.  My best guess is that at the time this occurred, it was only deemed appropriate that one should be commanded to abstain from the use of tobacco, alcohol, and hot drinks  meaning tea and coffee, and that while it may still be deemed advisable to use meat sparingly, that it was not deemed appropriate to command this as it was to command the avoidance of alcohol, tobacco, and hot drinks.



Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (Doc. & Cov. 124:56-60).
  Perhaps because the relevant verse means something other than what you assume it to mean.  To be honest, I don't know for sure.



If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin?
  If pigs have wings and feathers, why can they not fly?  I've already more than adequately covered this in another thread.



How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon's while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple?
  Different people, different location, different conditions, different materials, different terrain, different techniques and technology  take your pick.  It took us 40 years to build the Salt Lake Temple.  How is it possible that some of our most recent temples have been built in under a year?  For that matter, if it took us 40 years to build the Salt Lake Temple, how is it possible that Solomon's Temple was built, using much more primitive technology, in only seven years?



Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (Doc. & Cov. 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324).
  Not having the relevant volume of History of the Church, I cannot verify the claim that Joseph Smith was preaching against polygamy at any time, but I would doubt very much that he was.  Given that this is not a practice previously known to have been commonly engaged in in this nation, or this culture, the notion that the subject would have ever come up, and atracted sufficient attention that Smith would see any reason to preach against it, seems very unlikely.



God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies?
  This question merely reveals, to those of us familiar with this ceremony, the writer's ignorance of this ceremony and the symbolism therein.



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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/12/2001 12:37 am  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (3 of 29)  
 
  115.3 in reply to 115.2  
 
Doesn't the fact that you cannot adequately answer a lot of these questions even raise your eyebrows just a bit? Can you not see the erroneous mistakes of the founders of the faith? 
As I have said, my intention was to simply have you review your own faith as so many people did with me when I was Jewish and again, after being involved in a church with screwy doctrines. I had hoped you would be more open to the fact that Mormonism simply cannot be from God but I feel that I have wasted our time and made you defensive rather than have you question anything within your own heart.... 

Perhaps some seeds were planted, perhaps not but I will continue to pray for all Mormons to come to the Jesus who saved them and not the one that is peddled within the Mormon church.



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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/12/2001 1:14 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (4 of 29)  
 
  115.4 in reply to 115.3  
 
Blood_Bought (RFI1965) wrote:
Doesn't the fact that you cannot adequately answer a lot of these questions even raise your eyebrows just a bit? Can you not see the erroneous mistakes of the founders of the faith?
  In my profession, I work with scientific measurements of acoustical data.  Very often, we record a series of acoustical events, made over a period of time while some condition relevent to these measurements is undergoing a smooth, continuous change, in order to establish the relationship between this changing condition, and its effect on the sound that we measure.

  We may make a few hundred measurements in such a series, and based on these measurements, and on what we know of the physics involved, we compute formulas which we can use to predict what the measurements would be under any given set of the conditions which were changed.  When this formula is plotted together with the actual measured data, we see that the vast majority ofthe measured points fall very close to the line predicted by the formula.  But there are always a few wild points, that land far from the line.  We can't explain them.  They are actual measurements, but they do not fit the model that we have determined to be correct.  We do not throw away the model because of these few anomalous points; we merely admit that there are a few points that we cannot explain, that are obviously affected by things outside of our knowledge and control.

  I've lived for nearly forty years, and I have experienced many things.  I was born and raised in a Mormon family, but for a time, I had drifted away in other directions.  The sum of my life's experiences has led me to the inescapable conclusion that the Mormon religion is true and correct.  The vast majority of my data points have led me to this conclusion, and support it.  There are a few anomalous points, but like the wild points in my acoustical measurements, these are of little significance up against the preponderance of points that fit the derived model.

  In my professional work, if I truly knew all the conditions that affected each of my measurements, and was able to account for all these conditions, I have confidence that even the wild points would fit the derived model, once the other conditions had been corrected for.  Of the ten questions you posed at the start of this thread, I was easily able to find answers to eight of them, that are consistent with my religious model.  The two remaining, I admit are influenced by factors that are outside of my knowledge, and I am entirely confident that if I knew what these factors were, and how to account for them, these two wild points would fit my model as well.



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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/13/2001 4:39 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (5 of 29)  
 
  115.5 in reply to 115.3  
 
I have more respect for someone who admits he does not know everything then for someone who claims to know everything and is there for proclaiming himself God.

 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 4:40 pm  
To:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   (6 of 29)  
 
  115.6 in reply to 115.5  
 
Me too....



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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/13/2001 5:32 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (7 of 29)  
 
  115.7 in reply to 115.6  
 
Bob's willing to admits he is blessed (he's 'ignorant' on some matters and ignorance is bliss) while David and certain other don't accept the fact that what they know might not be all there is to know.

 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 5:35 pm  
To:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   (8 of 29)  
 
  115.8 in reply to 115.7  
 
Yes, Bob also denies the fact that there may be others who know better than he does.



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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/13/2001 11:04 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (9 of 29)  
 
  115.9 in reply to 115.8  
 
Blood_Bought (RFI1965) wrote:
Yes, Bob also denies the fact that there may be others who know better than he does.
  Where have I denied this?  Of course there are others who know more than I do. 



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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 11:07 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (10 of 29)  
 
  115.10 in reply to 115.9  
 
BOB: 
Of course there are others who know more than I do. 
RUSS: 
Just not in this forum, right Bob? 




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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/13/2001 11:18 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (11 of 29)  
 
  115.11 in reply to 115.10  
 
Blood_Bought (RFI1965) wrote:
BOB:
Of course there are others who know more than I do.

RUSS:
Just not in this forum, right Bob?
  And your point is?



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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 11:25 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (12 of 29)  
 
  115.12 in reply to 115.11  
 
I think my point is obvious...



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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/14/2001 1:48 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (13 of 29)  
 
  115.13 in reply to 115.12  
 
it is?

 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/14/2001 5:23 am  
To:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   (14 of 29)  
 
  115.14 in reply to 115.13  
 
Yes, to people with a functioning brain stem it is.



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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/14/2001 6:50 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (15 of 29)  
 
  115.15 in reply to 115.14  
 
erhm.... the brainstem isn't used for comprehension and though, please get your anatomy and neurology right next time.

 
  
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  From:  WrathOfElihu   7/15/2001 6:13 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (16 of 29)  
 
  115.16 in reply to 115.2  
 
Bob Blaylock 
While God himself is perfect, we mortal men are not, and any time God's word is in the hands of men, errors may be introduced. We've never made the claim that the Book of Mormon is perfect and inerrant. Certainly many errors existed in Joseph Smith's original translation (though he was working with divine assistance, and guidance, he still was a mortal man, as error-prone as the rest of us), and more errors were introduced in the process of organizing it, setting the type, and printing. Of the approximately 4,000 differences between the text of the Book of Mormon as it was first published, and the version that is published today, nearly half are basic corrections in grammar, spelling, and punctuation. Very few of the changes affect any of the literal meaning contained therein, but many make the meaning more clear. 
Given the size of the Book of Mormon, and the conditions under which it was first published, I would dare to say that it is remarkable that so few corrections were needed in later editions. 

WrathofElihu 
In the interest of logic and reality(if any exist today), could it be that the said BoM that was and probably still is full of error, could it be that this book goes beyond error? 

It has been stated that it was just a mortal man that wrote the things down. 

Bythewhich, it has been shown that G-d, Mo-mon or anyone else had not the power to make it correct at it's origin. 

If it be that so many errors have been corrected, who is it that would assume what error is left, or better yet, what truth is in the Book of Mormon? 

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  From:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   7/24/2001 3:36 am  
To:  ALL   (17 of 29)  
 
  115.17 in reply to 115.2  
 
Please see lds apologetics forum for some great questions about the Aaronic Priesthood which the LDS claimed to have restored for what reason I do not know and how I cannot fathom since proof of being a physical descendent of Aaron in the Tribe of Levi specifically the Kohathite tribe as a prerequisite is impossible to prove since the themple in Isreal was destroyed in 70 A.D. by Titus 
love in Christ Jesus Author and Perfector of our faith, Alpha and Omega, 

Brian a Messianic Jew fluent in Hebrew and Greek with some eybrow raising questions for the mormons in the above mentioned forum
 
  
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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/24/2001 7:39 am  
To:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   (18 of 29)  
 
  115.18 in reply to 115.17  
 
Colossians2:8 (OBEDIENTWIFE) wrote:
Please see lds apologetics forum for some great questions about the Aaronic Priesthood which the LDS claimed to have restored for what reason I do not know and how I cannot fathom since proof of being a physical descendent of Aaron in the Tribe of Levi specifically the Kohathite tribe as a prerequisite is impossible to prove since the themple in Isreal was destroyed in 70 A.D. by Titus
  This presumes that the same requirements apply now that applied in Old Testament times, and, as you point out, verification of these old qualifications is now virtually impossible.  I don't have any exact references, but it seems to me that in the New Testament, the restriction that one must be a Levite in order to hold the Priesthood was lifted.  Certainly, those other Christian churches today which have a priesthood (e.g., the Catholic, Episcopalian, and Orthodox churches) don't seem to recognize any such requirement of their priests.

  In accordance with modern-day revelation, all LDS men who are worthy are eligible for the Priesthood  first the Aaronic Priesthood after the age of twelve, and later, the Melchizedek Priesthood.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/24/2001 8:56 am  
To:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   (19 of 29)  
 
  115.19 in reply to 115.17  
 
Hi,
I really Thank You, for posting relevant Biblical info.
I agree, when Examining our beliefs we have to yield and shape ourselves to the Truth of the Bible, not the other way around, which is what the Mormons and other cults have done.

The Bible is the word of God and He has said what He means and He means what He has said!

Mormonism collapses on any issue you wish to examine it Biblically. And among the greatest of these collapses is the priesthood, which like all of the Mormon concepts the Mormons have Stolen from the Jews and the Christians.

The fact that the Mormons are stealing Christian Truths and using them in their cult to manipulate and control people is indefensible. The Mormons have stolen the priesthoods (Aaronic & Melchizidak) only for the purpose of exerting authority of people.

If you visit the LDS Apologetics forum you will also see that the Mormons have stolen the Christian name and the title of the forum begins with Christianity. Apparently they are attempting to use the Good name of Christian to further their own deceits.

I have posted a message which also goes over why the priesthood does not belong to the Mormons. It was posted both on this forum and on the LDS Apologetic form titled Why Christians will never Believe Mormon

Here is a link to the same Message on this forum:

Why Mormonism is a Cult and Not Christian






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   From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/24/2001 9:56 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 29)  
 
  115.20 in reply to 115.19  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) wrote:
Mormonism collapses on any issue you wish to examine it Biblically.
  You make this claim repeatedly, but it seems to me that in every single issue where you've tried to deomstrate this, I've refuted your every point, and shown you to be wrong.



If you visit the LDS Apologetics forum you will also see that the Mormons have stolen the Christian name and the title of the forum begins with Christianity. Apparently they are attempting to use the Good name of Christian to further their own deceits.
  I believe that those who use the name of Christ to deceive others will face harsh judgement from God.  May God have mercy on you, David Anson Brown.



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From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/24/2001 1:41 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (21 of 29)  
 
  115.21 in reply to 115.19  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) wrote:
Mormonism collapses on any issue you wish to examine it Biblically. And among the greatest of these collapses is the priesthood, which like all of the Mormon concepts the Mormons have Stolen from the Jews and the Christians.

The fact that the Mormons are stealing Christian Truths and using them in their cult to manipulate and control people is indefensible. The Mormons have stolen the priesthoods (Aaronic & Melchizidak) only for the purpose of exerting authority of people.

If you visit the LDS Apologetics forum you will also see that the Mormons have stolen the Christian name and the title of the forum begins with Christianity

I have posted a message which also goes over why the priesthood does not belong to the Mormons.
  The whole of the argument which you presented in this posting was to cite a passage from Hebrews in which Melchizedek is described in this manner:  Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.  You further wrote that To become a Melchizidak Priest one has to be [Eternal] without father and without mother and without beginning of days nor without end of life in other words to be a Melchizidak Priest one has to be God. Only God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son Jesus, are [Eternal] and therefore eligible to be Melchizedek Priests.  You never did answer my question as to whether or not you claimed that Melchizedek himself was the same person as God the Father, Jesus Chrst, or the Holy Ghost, as would apparently need to be claimed in order for your statement to be consistent.  If you will read the whole of Hebrews 7, you will see that it seems to clearly refer to at lest one priest after the order of Melchisedec in this time period.  It's not entirely clear who this priest is, but clearly it is someone other than Melchizedek, and it also seems fairly clear that it is not a member of the Godhead.  This chapter also speaks clearly of the need for the priesthood of Melchizedek.

  Consider this:  The Aaronic Pristhood is named after Aaron, the brother of Moses.  He was given this Priesthood in order to assist Moses in his calling as a prophet of God.  Does it not stand to reason that Moses himself had a Priesthood too, and that his Priesthood was at least as high as that of Aaron?  Now, if the Pristhood that Moses had was the same as Aaron's, then why would this priesthood have come to be called after Aaron's name, rather than Moses' name?  I think it should be clear that Moses had a higher Pristhood, that he had the Melchizedek Priesthood.  Yet we know that Moses was not Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.  So your argument that one must have these characteristics which were attributed to Melchizedek in order to be a priest after his order, an argument which in itself was based, not on the Bible, but on a distant extrapolation thereof, fails to stand up under casual examination.

  So far as I can see, this is the only argument you have presented to refute the LDS claim to the Priesthoods, and like all your efforts to show that Mormonism collapses on any issue you wish to examine it Biblically, this one falls flat when one actually examines it.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/24/2001 3:47 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (22 of 29)  
 
  115.22 in reply to 115.21  
 
Melchisedec:
The Melchizedek Priesthood is only for those who have the Lineage of Melchizidak (God), which is Everlasting existence without beginning and w/o end. Only Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit qualify to be Melchizidak Priests.
This question boils down to whether you think Jesus Ministers in the Priestly office of a man or of the Heavenly office of God.

The Bible is Clear that Melchizidak is a name of God just like Elohiem, Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Father, Adonai, etc. are all names of God.

Hebrews 7:2 .. being by interpretation King of Righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is King of Peace.

The Bible only interprets these as Titles not as a person and a place.

Melchizidak is not a physical person, physical people have Both a mother and a father.

The Aaronic  Levitical priesthood is only for descendants of Aaron.
Why the Mormons would even pretend to be Levitical priests is beyond comprehension. 

Jesus is the end of animal sacrifices which all pointed to Jesus anyhow. Animal sacrifices could only be preformed in Jerusalem by Levitical priests. Mormons officiate None of the office of the Levites, yet they claim the title. Mormons claim these titles likely as a means of control over people like cults are so inclined to do.

Without Jewish lineage documentation you cannot be a Priest. None of which the Mormons have. Your week excuse is that anyone could be a descendant of Aaron, well not likely and absolutely Not everyone is a descendant of Aaron.

Nehemiah 7:64 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by Genealogy, But it was Not found: Therefore were they, as Polluted, put from the Priesthood.






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  From:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   7/24/2001 4:24 pm  
To:  ALL   (23 of 29)  
 
  115.23 in reply to 115.19  
 
I have also began a forum in www.delphi.com called LDS Theology Talk, I will be going through the teachings of the LDS faith throughout all of their books and discuss the HEBREW translation of the bible. It seems to me NO LDS members know Hebrew. Thank you for your post. God Bless, 
Love in Christ (Author and Perfector of our faith, The Alpha and Omega, 

Brian and Susan
 
  
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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/24/2001 5:52 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (24 of 29)  
 
  115.24 in reply to 115.22  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) wrote:
The Melchizedek Priesthood is only for those who have the Lineage of Melchizidak (God), which is Everlasting existence without beginning and w/o end. Only Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit qualify to be Melchizidak Priests.
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The Bible is Clear that Melchizidak is a name of God just like Elohiem, Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Father, Adonai, etc. are all names of God.
Hebrews 7:2 .. being by interpretation King of Righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is King of Peace.
The Bible only interprets these as Titles not as a person and a place.

Melchizidak is not a physical person, physical people have Both a mother and a father.
  It seems to me that you're reading a lot into the Bible that simply isn't there.  I must admit that I don't quite know what to make of Hebrews 7:3, but I think you're stretching things quite a bit to claim that Melchizedek is God.  I don't think the Bible supports this interpretation very well at all.  In any event, I think the Bible is very clear that Melchizedek's Priesthood is not just for him, nor just for members of the Godhead.

  From Hebrews 7:
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
  Who is the priest spoken of in verses 15, 17, and 21?  I can see room to interpret this as a reference to Jesus himself, but would the Lord testify an sware to himself, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec?  That makes little sense.  I think this is clearly a reference to some mortal man, who has been ordained, or is to be ordained, a priest after the order of Melchizedek.  Admittedly, the identity of this man is not easily apparent from this chapter.



The Aaronic  Levitical priesthood is only for descendants of Aaron. Why the Mormons would even pretend to be Levitical priests is beyond comprehension.
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Without Jewish lineage documentation you cannot be a Priest. None of which the Mormons have.
  Answer me this:  Where do you think the priesthood is today?  Does any man hold any valid priesthood?  Are there any priests in your sect?  Do you believe that the Catholics have it, or the Episcopalians, or the Orthodox sects?  Do the Jews still have it?  Where is it?



Jesus is the end of animal sacrifices which all pointed to Jesus anyhow. Animal sacrifices could only be preformed in Jerusalem by Levitical priests. Mormons officiate None of the office of the Levites, yet they claim the title.
  This presumes that animal sacrifices are the only Priesthood ordinances.  I very much disagree with this presumption.



Mormons claim these titles likely as a means of control over people like cults are so inclined to do.
  It's not at all clear how it is that you think claiming the Priesthood in this manner is useful for controlling people as you allege we would do.  In fact, the use of the Priesthood as a means of controlling others is specifically forbidden in our scriptures.  From the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 121:
No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;
By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/24/2001 10:34 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (25 of 29)  
 
  115.25 in reply to 115.24  
 
The Mormon Priesthood collects Money as a Mandatory Tithe from All members, which they are Required to pay in order to be in good standing with the Mormon Church. 
The so called Mormon prophets and apostles tell people how to live their lives and what to do, according to the desires of the Mormon cult. 

Need I say more about inventing a priesthood to control and manipulate people! 





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/24/2001 10:39 pm  
To:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   (26 of 29)  
 
  115.26 in reply to 115.23  
 
Great! 
People get suckered into Mormonism and other cults because the people peddling Mormonism do not honestly explain what they are upfront. 

You might want to post a link directly to your forum or give us the forum web tag name so your forum can be easily found. 





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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/25/2001 3:31 am  
To:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   (27 of 29)  
 
  115.27 in reply to 115.23  
 
I only have one question. More food for thought then much else, though. 
How many Christians out there know Hebrew? Probably not very many. Statstically speaking, the precentage of Christians who know Hebrew and Aeremic is probably the same as the precentage of Mormons that do. 

Westerners, in short, usually aren't versed in ancient Middle Eastern linguistics.


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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/25/2001 12:04 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 29)  
 
  115.28 in reply to 115.25  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) wrote:
The Mormon Priesthood collects Money as a Mandatory Tithe from All members, which they are Required to pay in order to be in good standing with the Mormon Church.
  Do not all churches collect some form of offering or tithing from their members?  How else would they pay for the church buildings, and the various other expenses involved?

  In any event, tithing is a solid Biblical principle.  See Malachi 3:8-18.

  I really can't see what your point is in condemning us for our obedience to this principle.  Rather, I think you have some explaining to do if you or your sect do not observe this sacred principle.



The so called Mormon prophets and apostles tell people how to live their lives and what to do, according to the desires of the Mormon cult.
  According to the desires of our God.  Again, how is this any different from nearly all other religions, including your own?  Do you not believe that God wants you to obey certain commandments, and does your church not encourage such obedience?  Again, I don't see your point in criticising us on this basis.



Need I say more about inventing a priesthood to control and manipulate people!
  This is interesting.  In this earlier posting, you accused us of having stolen the Priesthood.  Now you say we invented it.  You can't even keep your own lies straight.  How pathetic is this?



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   From:  Colossians2:8 & Isaiah 40:8 (obedientwife)   7/26/2001 5:51 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (29 of 29)  
 
  115.29 in reply to 115.27  
 
Yes and that is sad, some do not ever read the bible. I hope to learn to read Hebrew and Greek someday. 
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